http://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Top_Jobs.cfm
http://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Offshoring-Jobs.cfm
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John Masterson
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What will be offshored and what won't - article |
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I thought this was a good article as we plan for our future...
http://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Top_Jobs.cfm http://www.careerplanner.com/Career-Articles/Offshoring-Jobs.cfm
"To those who believe, no explanation is needed.
To those who don't, no explanation will do."
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G0ddard B0lt |
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I agree with most of what these articles say, but it's pretty "first order" rudimentary information and there are few takeaways that I can see.
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John Masterson |
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G0ddard B0lt wrote:I hadn't perceived some of the patterns they listed, so I liked it.
"To those who believe, no explanation is needed.
To those who don't, no explanation will do." |
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G0ddard B0lt |
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I will explain a bit more why I can't get into these types of articles so much.
Every time someone states "why" software development is a natural for offshoring and why it is inevitable that it was to be offshored, it never really adds up for me. Crap is crap. Most people, and most meal ticket oriented so called programmers, can't develop software to save their lives. The output of offshore operations is usually crap, or is very simplistic stuff. By my own standards, only a close by, highly skilled resource is able to produce quality software product. But, defying my intuition, a lot of that work has moved offshore. I didn't call it, and few other did, either. The "top jobs" article says this:
I'm sorry, but it was never "obvious" to me that real software development had been suitable for offshoring. And I have yet to witness the greatness of Indian English communication abilities or educational systems. So articles like this come off as rationalizations of what has come before, which nobody really predicted all that well. So I think the crystal ball is cracked here. Or at least very cloudy. I don't think anyone has a handle on what is to come. I do think that most "movement" of jobs due to labor cost arbitrage between nations has pretty thoroughly played out. 10 years ago the cheapness of a (usually inferior, but propped up by PR and marcomm) offshore developer was "startling." Now it's well known, and is already figured into pricing of services. I think offshoring is just what is done now when there is an advantage to be gained. IE, it's now just another optimizable business process, like advertising or distribution. It's not some holy grail that is sweeping the economy. It's "done swept." I think the real action now will be in technological shifts and the effects of currency instabilities on world economics. I am very skeptical of any article that asserts that there is much more that offshoring has to "show" us. It's a known quantity. It wasn't in 1998. And I wonder if the limits have already been reached or exceeded on offshoring. At some point someone needs some work to get done, and the "overseas knuckleheads overseen by a few bright locals" model of offshoring is very cumbersome compared to just hiring a few good people who are local and working with them directly.
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Origisaurus |
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And, putting on my Weinberg hat, it's always a people problem(TM).
And the people who speak "perfect Queen's English" don't understand requirements any better than onshore programmers from whom requirements have been carefully concealed by users afraid of losing their gravy-train jobs. Barking up the wrong tree. And when management (people) want real solutions, they will find real solution providers, not cheep chair-warmers. First, they will hire the Spolskys, then they will look for the real deal. And if they don't find the real deal, they will be revising their resumes. Cruel world. Heart bleeds, etc. Pecunia Loquet, Merda Tauri Ambulat |
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Peter Codewrite |
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I don't know - but the people that are pushing it haven't let go even a bit.
Look at this article in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offshore_software_development You will find the term India - 17 times. This looks like spam to me. Surprisingly nobody has challenged it's objectivity. Bangalore, Mumbai, Ahmedabad, New Delhi, Hyderabad, Chennai, Pune, Indore NOIDA, Gurgaon, Thiruvananthapuram, ...would be the ideal places, and hence 'Tier I' cities to offshore R&D.I bet most people haven't even heard about half of those cities. I have never heard about the last three myself. |
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G0ddard B0lt |
My rant was mainly that --- | #6 | ||
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Economic trend-spotting is something that I have tried to do for decades, and completely unsuccessfully. So the subject frustrates me tremendously.
So I really don't think it's possible. Everyone extrapolates present trends linearly. They are linear for awhile, but at some time current trends either die off, or go exponential. One or the other. I mainly go by my gut. IE: software development was something that every warm body was trying to get into 10 years ago. Therefore, I could feel in my gut a crazy "boom" and therefore a bust was foreseeable, too. |
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JM -- great articles, esp the one on offshoring.... thanks for listing them.
Interesting tidbit -- I noticed the article on Top Jobs has some jobs like DBA listed as going UP, while the other article on offshoring has the same jobs as "Going - High Risk." Odd, since both articles were written by the same person! |
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John Masterson |
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benali72 wrote:I noticed that as well. Odd. maybe not completely written by the same person.
"To those who believe, no explanation is needed.
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1Aussie1 1Aussie1 1Aussie1 Oi Oi Oi |
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"Crap is crap. Most people, and most meal ticket oriented so called programmers, can't develop software to save
their lives. The output of offshore operations is usually crap, or is very simplistic stuff. By my own standards, only a close by, highly skilled resource is
able to produce quality software product"
The thing is, it's not always immediately apparent that it's crap to the suits. Things only have to hang together long enough for the outsourcing manager to get promoted and then leave for a more highly paying job elsewhere. I'd like to see them outsource driving a bus or unloading tyres. |
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PhilFromNY |
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Its interesting that the top 9 growth jobs listed for business all have to do with sales. What I would really love to see is an explanation as to who they will
be selling to when most of the middle class jobs will be gone.
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TRexx |
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I'd like to see them outsource driving a bus or unloading tyres.Happens every day. Our local Board of Ed used to employ the school bus drivers. Now they contract a private company, which coincidentally purchased the unused buses and hired (at a lower wages) the newly unemployed drivers. And I suppose if I had a few hundred tires to unload I might swing by my local Home Depot and hire a day laborer for $8/hour. |
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Origisaurus |
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TRexx wrote:"Outsourcing" vs. "offshoring". Obviously, you can't ship the bus-driving job or the physical handling of goods overseas, it has to be done on-site. But you can certainly hire contractors or casual labor locally, which is "outsourcing". Pecunia Loquet, Merda Tauri Ambulat |
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TRexx |
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"Outsourcing" vs. "offshoring". Obviously, you can't ship the bus-driving job or the physical handling of goods overseas, it has to be done on-site. But you can certainly hire contractors or casual labor locally, which is "outsourcing".My point exactly. As far as I know, almost everyone on this board is in the outsourcing business. But our friends in the media have (as usual) taken a term that means one thing and twisted it so the masses think it means something else. |
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1Aussie1 1Aussie1 1Aussie1 Oi Oi Oi |
Sorry, my tongue got in the way of my eyetooth, and I couldn't see what I was saying | #14 | ||
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Dino's right. I meant to say "offshore the bus driver's job", not outsource it.
Dino, how come you do me better'n I do me ? |
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David Randolph |
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Why are the top jobs for sales? Because the companies need to be selling overseas in order to find more sales. Ergo, nearly every company needs to find the top sales person who has 10 years of selling their product overseas. The people in house already obviously can't do that. They need to hunt for that super star sales person who will increase their sales 200% all by him/her self. </sarcasm> Seriously, when all the middle class jobs disappear, then the US is simply the most connected point on earth for connecting buyers with sellers. That takes sales people and the companies that survive will be connecting the suppliers at one point on earth with the buyers anywhere else on earth. They won't be making anything themselves, they will only be sales and marketing companies. Other places recognise the value of that and thus, we have the push to move ICANN off of the US. Other countries are trying to move us out of that position. It should be interesting.
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