Will Biden Step Aside? - P.A.G.A.N. - People Against Goodness And Normalcy

After his dismal debate performance last night there is widespread panic across the Democratic party and their media surrogates. There are calls for him to step aside but he says he won't. Jill Biden congratulated him last night on a great debate. The last thing she wants is to lose her FLOTUS title and all the privileges that come with it.

Obama has come out downplaying Biden's debate performance and saying it was just a bad debate, so nothing to worry about. Obama doesn't want to lose his puppet. If Biden is replaced by Newsome or Clinton, he won't be able to control them or the presidency like he does now. He might be able to do it if Michelle runs, but I can't see her wanting to run for president.

The Democrat party and the media are in the toilet now with Biden voters because they've lied to them about his capability for years. After that debate it should be very clear to everyone that Biden is unfit to lead the country. I don't know how he can come back from that, even with Obama's help. He's damaged goods now.

Unless Biden is forced off the ticket by a $$$back$$$room $$deal$$, he intends to run, and Jill wants him to run also. Unless Biden is 25th amendmented, he's probably going to run for POTUS because he wants it. But big money will stay on the sidelines this time and nobody on that side really wants him to run. So his campaign funds may be crippled.

The debate was structured as it was in order to not give Biden an advantage and to allow him to lose the debate and the optics competition. Normally the dems protect him. They did not this time.

Therefore this was engineered before hand to make a change of candidate plausible.

Biden was originally selected as a "unity" candidate because every other candidate for 2020 was hated more by a significant margin. Biden was selected as the least undesirable candidate for 2020. So his original selection was rather arbitrary.

I'm not doing victory laps over Trump's excellent debate performance. If he is replaced almost any plausible Dem candidate will be a far stronger pick. Gavin Newsome might win the presidency - there are many tards who will vote for his stupid policies and record of failure.

I'm thinking that assuming RFK Jr makes it onto ballots in November and Biden stands as candidate, RFK will cannibalize many votes of Biden's.

So wait and see!

They could 25th Amendment Biden and remove him from office. There are several problems with that. First, it would be an admission that they were covering up Biden's decline in mental ability. Second, according to DNC rules, it's almost impossible to remove a candidate without their permission. If Biden doesn't formally drop out of the race, he would still be the nominee even if the 25th Amendment removes him from office.

There are problems with not removing Biden from the ballot. First, it's going to be nearly-impossible for him to fundraise now. Nobody wants to give money to a candidate that is going to be replaced, or is sure to lose if not replaced. Second, he's likely to lose. If there's a second debate and Biden stumbles through it again, that would be the end of the election. Every public gaffe Biden makes from now on is going to be max scrutinized, instead of merely being ridiculed on a handful of right-wing websites nobody else reads.

2020 primaries

Actually, Sanders had a big delegate lead (superdelegates don't count). Then the primaries had to be cancelled due to COVID. Biden somehow won a single primary and then everyone else dropped out of the race (including Sanders) and declared Biden the winner.

RFK

If he is on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate, he takes more votes from Biden than Trump, giving Trump an easy win. It's similar to how Perot cost Bush the election in 1992 even though Perot had no realistic chance of winning himself, and how Nadler cost Gore the election in 2000. (If Gore got 80% of Nadler's votes, he wins without a recount. Presumably, every Nadler voter preferred Gore to Bush.)

They could 25th Amendment Biden and remove him from office. There are several problems with that. First, it would be an admission that they were covering up Biden's decline in mental ability.

Democrats memory-hole everything and are congenital liars. This is a smol issue. They'd retcon it as Joe Biden graciously agreeing to move aside. Dems will make up a story. No issue.

Second, according to DNC rules, it's almost impossible to remove a candidate without their permission. If Biden doesn't formally drop out of the race, he would still be the nominee even if the 25th Amendment removes him from office.

OMG, I didn't know that.

There are problems with not removing Biden from the ballot. ...instead of merely being ridiculed on a handful of right-wing websites nobody else reads.

Finally Dementia Hitler has gone mainstream.

2020 primaries

Actually, Sanders had a big delegate lead (superdelegates don't count). Then the primaries had to be cancelled due to COVID. Biden somehow won a single primary and then everyone else dropped out of the race (including Sanders) and declared Biden the winner.

It appeared like a coronation, similar to how Bernie was edged out in 2016. I still say Biden was declared the candidate because every other candidate was even more defective (IE, Beto was obviously retarded, Pete B was vacuous and had a 0 resume, Pocahontas was shrill and inauthentic and couldn't convincingly drink a beer in her kitchen, Kamala was piece of shit slut ho Kamala, etc) Biden, the "unity" candidate. Barf.

Basically it's Democrats and they'll tear up any rules that they don't like.

RFK

If he is on the ballot as a 3rd party candidate, he takes more votes from Biden than Trump, giving Trump an easy win.

Totally agreed. Likely RFK voters will need to buy into woke policies like reparations. They do not live in the same reality as Trump voters.

Nadler

Ralph Nader.

Jerry Nadler is that little lying TDS congressman ugly butterball faggot.

All collectivists have in common the fact that they have one rule only: is it good for the in-group. Communists, marxists, cultural marxists, socialists, judaists, wokists, you name it, check them out.

If a particular law supports them in the moment, the in-group will hammer the shit out of it to the group's advantage. If on another day in another circumstance the same law contradicts them, it will be memory-holed. They are -- at their very core -- dishonest. That's partly why I do not like collectivism. Collectivists are irrational and literally cannot be dealt with (by rational people).

Mentally ill? Evil? What do you think?

I have yet to see anyone who buys into the Democratic party or wokeness or far leftism who is honest intellectually. They all, every single one of them, entertain some strongly held dogma that only makes sense if you disregard basic contradictions.

Also they either elevate or smear people. "It's her time". "I'm with her." To a Dem a person is not a combination of attributes that may contradict. To a Dem a person is either on their side and is noble and stands for correctness and is upheld, or the person is morally bankrupt, is scum, and is to be treated as garbage. And the law should be morphed to fit whatever the judgement is on an individual.

The Dems will look a a particular cause of theirs and say that these circumstances this one time justify not honoring the letter of the law. They do this universally.

The dishonesty to a relationship is like a grain of sand in your food. Or like a pebble in your shoe. It's a constant irritant that you either program yourself to enjoy or you want gone.

I personally think liberals should be muzzled and gulaged.

Biden somehow won a single primary and then everyone else dropped out of the race (including Sanders) and declared Biden the winner.

That was the North Carolina primary. Just prior to that, Clayburn and Obama agreed between them that Biden would be the presidential candidate. And so it transpired. Biden won the NC primary and the primary candidates withdrew one after the other in short order.

Biden won't step aside voluntarily because that would be the end of the family business of influence peddling. A lot of big money donors may not fund his campaign after that debate performance because there is no doubt that Biden is unfit to run and he's going to lose.

The dems never should have waited so long to get rid of Biden if that was the plan. They have all known for a long time he is a cognitive mess. It doesn't seem right to me that they allowed him to participate in that debate in that drugged up, weak condition. I expected to see more of a jacked-up Joe.

It does look like Biden was set up to fail at the debate, but its kind of late to swap out the candidate. If they go with the 25th amendment approach it will be ugly and messy and then you have the Kamala problem. She is not happy that she hasn't been considered as a replacement for Biden. Its just a train wreck for the dems all the way around.

I suspect there are multiple interests (factions that have different ideas and goals in mind) that are internally warring in the Democratic party.

What we have witnessed in public is probably a lot of dissenting goals that are affecting what is going on publicly. IE: Joe and all of his simps want him to run again, but big money and probably people at the level of Soros want him replaced for November. It probably amounts to a small civil war with a lot of blaming and desperation going around.

In other words there is a general goal of winning by any means, but the process is not agreed by all.

And if the cabinet 25ths Biden, you THEN have the HUGE issue of Kamala Harris assuming the presidency. She's power mad and narcissistic and exceptionally stupid. I could see her directing the military to trigger a major war. She'd see it as a funny abstraction of millions of service people and/or civilians dying.

According to Tucker Carlson, Obama wants someone other than Biden. He wants an open convention.

https://x.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1807682297862172999

I don't think they'll be able to get Biden out of there without a very messy fight. Jill Biden is all in on being FLOTUS again. She is on the cover of Vogue in July with a message for those who wish to thwart her power. I think she probably runs the country. She's the closest to Joe and props him up at every turn to make it look good.

https://x.com/AlexThomp/status/1807725012213735664

The Democrats are just disgusting, power-hungry people that could care less about the country. Its all about their power and money. What an embarrassment.

From what I've read, many states won't allow the Democrat candidate to be changed by the time the party would select another candidate.

I heard that the deadline already passed in a few states.

The seem to be "brainlets".

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Nevada, Georgia and Wisconsin won't allow the Dems to change their candidate now. If they 25th amendment Biden, some states will allow him to be replaced on the ballot at a late date. Still, its late in the game for that tactic. Don't forget, Congress is on vacation for all of August and that's when the Dems are holding their convention.

The Democrat party is imploding before our eyes and its a glorious sight after what they've done to this country. Biden's debate performance was the catalyst that horrified every Democrat and snapped them out of their trance. Now all of the masks are off for Biden, his administration, Congressional Democrats/Rinos and the media, who have lied to the people that supported them for almost four years.

Obama said "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to eff things up" and he was right. The Dems knew Biden had cognizant issues long ago but it didn't matter to them because the deep state was running the country. Biden just needed to look passable as president but they couldn't cover up his illness anymore.

Maybe but I can't help but think they are cooking up a scheme and they'll all be on board.

Democrats are always scheming but they have a real conundrum now because they can't bypass Kamala. They're hoping that Biden's debate performance was a one-off, so they're going to give him a chance to redeem himself. On Friday, July 5, a taped interview with George Stephanopoulos of ABC news will air at 6:30pm. Of course, the interview was taped July 3 and likely edited to make him look good.

At this point, I don't see how they convince the public he is suddenly okay with a taped interview. From what I've read so far, if Joe doesn't run it has to be Kamala to replace him. Could you imagine the uproar if they were to replace her with Gavin Newsome or Gretchen Whitmer? Their base of people of color said they won't vote for them.

The Dems only have two options now; bad and worse. I don't see how the Dems ever recover from this.

I don't see how the Dems ever recover from this.

Cheat.

Thats a good point, but they won't be able to cheat so easily this time. They got away with a lot of illegal stuff in the 2020 election, but Republicans have stepped up their election integrity efforts this time to counteract anything they might do.

A lot of Democrats are planning on voting Trump this time because the country is such a mess. Its not like Democrats even have a viable candidate in either Biden or Harris. They both suck. Trump is even leading in my state, deep blue New Jersey.

I do hope the election is fair. Proper elections are pretty much the most basic thing there is in a civilised society.

Don't look for them to do Trump any favors.

Trump is scheduled to be sentenced three days before the RNC. He could be in prison while the RNC is going on. No doubt they will run with the "convicted felon" thing.

Steve Bannon (the guy who got Trump elected in 2016) reported to prison today and he is sentenced to four months. What a coincidence! They took him off the air in the months leading to the election and then he's free after Election Day.

BTW Michele Obama insists that she will not run but maybe she "changes her mind" in order to "save the country" to keep that "convicted felon" away from The White House. If Joe doesn't budge then it doesn't happen but maybe they cut a deal at some point. The beef between Obama and Trump is personal and I don't see Obama (or Trump) giving in.

Unfortunately for the Dems, the Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity just threw a monkey wrench into their plans to convict Trump and throw him in jail before the Republican convention. Now that sentencing is postponed until September. I doubt it will ever happen, all things considered.

Hopefully you're right, although this came out today:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/leak-bidens-corrupt-doj-will-pursue-lawfare-cases/

They can keep pursuing Trump but they lost already. Jack Smith's cases are all dead after the Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity and especially because he was never confirmed by the Senate to be a special council. The Dems lawfare attempts are backfiring on them and I'm glad people are finally getting to see how politically motivated these lawsuits are.

- Democrats are bitterly divided about whether Biden should even run.

- Biden and family still dug in. WH and KJP still cling to the narrative that Joe had one bad debate but has been awesome for the country.

- Given the logistics of how the Democrats nominate candidates and the filing deadlines for many states, it is almost impossible at this point to consider replacing Biden's candidacy with a new comer.

- Therefore the only allowed substitute for Biden, who can use his campaign money collected so far, is Kamala Harris, his current VP.

- Democrat's fealty to identity above all else suggests that only Kamala H, a black woman, would be accepted as candidate. Gavin Newsome is a greasy white guy and would not be accepted. This is a doubled imperative to place Kamala as the candidate.

- IMPORTANT: polling data now suggests that Kamala may fail against Trump but by less margin than Biden. She seriously can get more votes than Biden could right now.

- IMPORTANT.2: Supposedly Michelle Obama is courting some black millionaires who, if Kamala replaces Biden on the ticket, would bankroll her campaign.

- While the county map of red leaning counties is overwhelmingly red, this may lull many conservative Trump voters into believing that the election is sewed up. Complacency can kill Trump's chances.

- Anything can still happen, including: Biden 25thed; a serious shooting war (China, Russia); some national emergency declaration that freezes things; etc.

I don't have a good feeling about any of this. Trump smashed Biden in the debate but the left is criminal and doesn't follow rules when they're inconvenient.

It looks like they're going to to try to prop up Biden, but its not going so well. Biden has been out and about for July 4th celebrations and he speaks gibberish. He seems worse than he ever was. He does have his taped interview with George Stephanopoulos tonight on ABC which they claim is unedited, but I doubt it. I'm sure he'll look okay in that interview, but really, there is no coming back after that debate performance. Biden's brain is gone.

The only replacement for Biden at this point is Kamala but she has her own problems. She is not well liked, can be nasty and has a big problem working with others. I could just imagine what an ego trip she would be on if she was the presidential nominee. Queen Kamala. What lucky person would even want to be her VP?

Michelle Obama has no interest in running for office and her staff came out and said so again today, so she's not an option.

Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch came out today and said he heard Biden will drop out this coming Monday, which means we get Kamala. Even if he does that, who will be running the country in the interim until inauguration day 2025? Do we just continue to allow the shadow government (the Obama admin) to continue destroying the country?

What an absolute disaster thanks to Democrats.

I made the case that Biden or his direct surrogate Kamala H are the only Democrat candidates that can be placed now. For reasons already stated in the thread by you and others. Procedurally it probably can't be done and also conform to election laws. Plus the land mine of who is selected.

If Biden resigns, Kamala will be running the country... with her pea of a brain. Probably she's dumber than Joe. At least from the perspective of understanding what is important and what is not.

I get the sense from her public demeanor that she doesn't take anything seriously except her own image. I don't think she's responsible enough to go anywhere near the nuclear football nor to make executive decisions about in particular military operations. The trope used to be that Hillary would plunge us into WWIII. But I think Harris has the clear potential to do so and to be jovially un-serious about it.

As far as her running as the Dem candidate, can RFK Jr get on ballots in the US now? RFK would cannibalize some of Biden's votes, but he would likely take a majority of Kamala's votes.

If they want him out, they'll have to use the 25th Amendment, which will be extremely messy. Then we will have President Kamala Harris, who is dumb as a rock, running the country. I think she's a stoner and her brain is just as gone as Bidens. I don't see her as fit to be president either. She might be even worse, if that's possible.

Its really too late for Democrats to choose a different candidate and be on every state's ballot. RFK is running as an Independent and still is not on the ballot in 11 states, but I agree he would take a lot of votes from Kamala.

I don't know what the Democrats can do now except mobilize the millions of illegals to vote for Biden, promise them amnesty and cheat like Hell. They deserve to be where they're at because they lied to everyone about Biden's fitness for office and the media covered it up. These people are so despicable they'll do anything to stay in power, so anything can happen between now and election day.

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Regardless of what happens on the Dem side

Regardless of what happens on the Dem side

Regardless of what happens on the Dem side

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